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https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-322
https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-322
04 Apr 2024
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Convection-permitting climate model representation of severe convective wind gusts and future changes in southeastern Australia

Andrew Brown, Andrew Dowdy, and Todd P. Lane

Interactive discussion

Status: closed

Comment types: AC – author | RC – referee | CC – community | EC – editor | CEC – chief editor | : Report abuse
  • RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-322', Andreas F. Prein, 27 Apr 2024
    • AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andrew Brown, 21 Jun 2024
  • RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-322', Andreas F. Prein, 27 Apr 2024

    The manuscript “Convection-permitting climate model representation of severe convective wind gusts and future changes in southeastern Australia” by Brown et al. investigates how future convective wind gusts might change over Southeastern Australia. Previous research suggests that surface hazards from thunderstorms, like severe convective winds (SCWs), may alter with climate change, yet global climate models struggle to resolve these due to their small scale, leading to uncertain projections. The authors find that SCW events using a convection-permitting climate model (BARPAC-M) over southeastern Australia for December–February, and comparing with a regional parent model (BARPAR) improved representation of extreme wind gusts in BARPAC-M but overestimation of SCW frequency, particularly in certain environments. Projected changes in SCW frequency for 2050 show uncertainties, with potential decreases under certain conditions and increases under others, highlighting the complexity of future SCW trends in the region. The study is very well structured, written, and the images and text are of high quality. The differentiation of wind gusts into different categories adds a lot of novel insights about model biases and future climate change impacts on these extremes. This is one of the best written and interesting papers that I have read in a while. I have only a couple of minor suggestions for changes and recommend publishing this manuscript after those are addressed.

     

    General comment:

    1. Adding more discussion on the importance of climate internal variability on your results would be beneficial. You mention the high degree of spatial and temporal variability of convective gusts already but making the role of internal climate variability more explicit would be important (see e.g., Deser et al. 2012). Internal climate variability could easily be the dominant source of uncertainty in your future climate projections.



      Deser, C., Phillips, A., Bourdette, V. and Teng, H., 2012. Uncertainty in climate change projections: the role of internal variability. Climate dynamics, 38, pp.527-546.



    Specific comments:

    1. Is BARPAC-M online or offline nested into BARPAR? The online nesting would have the benefit of providing higher-temporal resolution at the lateral boundaries which generally reduces that spatial spinup in the high-resolution domain.
    2. How did you account for boundary effects in BARPAC-M? Do you use a sponge zone and did you exclude boundary grid cells from the analysis?
    3. L100: It is optimistic to assume that the resolved gust in BARPAR is 10-min if you have a 5-min time step. I would assume that your resolved temporal scales are at least 4Dt based on numerical considerations and model diffusivity.
    4. In the analysis of Fig. 2 you directly compare the grid cell wind gust from the models with observed gusts at point locations. Should the model be able to capture point scale wind gusts? I would assume that the model wind speed should be lower than that observed at point locations since the model is representing a spatial (e.g., grid cell) average wind gust, which in case of ERA5 and BARPAR is a quite large area.
    5. 3: Maybe using a log y-axis would make this figure easier to read.
    6. L223: Why are you using the 6 km speed here? Are you assuming that this is the source height of downdrafts?
    7. 6: Please add a legend that describes the circle sizes.
    Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-322-RC2
    • AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andrew Brown, 21 Jun 2024
  • RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-322', Anonymous Referee #2, 03 Jun 2024
    • AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Andrew Brown, 21 Jun 2024

Interactive discussion

Status: closed

Comment types: AC – author | RC – referee | CC – community | EC – editor | CEC – chief editor | : Report abuse
  • RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-322', Andreas F. Prein, 27 Apr 2024
    • AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andrew Brown, 21 Jun 2024
  • RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-322', Andreas F. Prein, 27 Apr 2024

    The manuscript “Convection-permitting climate model representation of severe convective wind gusts and future changes in southeastern Australia” by Brown et al. investigates how future convective wind gusts might change over Southeastern Australia. Previous research suggests that surface hazards from thunderstorms, like severe convective winds (SCWs), may alter with climate change, yet global climate models struggle to resolve these due to their small scale, leading to uncertain projections. The authors find that SCW events using a convection-permitting climate model (BARPAC-M) over southeastern Australia for December–February, and comparing with a regional parent model (BARPAR) improved representation of extreme wind gusts in BARPAC-M but overestimation of SCW frequency, particularly in certain environments. Projected changes in SCW frequency for 2050 show uncertainties, with potential decreases under certain conditions and increases under others, highlighting the complexity of future SCW trends in the region. The study is very well structured, written, and the images and text are of high quality. The differentiation of wind gusts into different categories adds a lot of novel insights about model biases and future climate change impacts on these extremes. This is one of the best written and interesting papers that I have read in a while. I have only a couple of minor suggestions for changes and recommend publishing this manuscript after those are addressed.

     

    General comment:

    1. Adding more discussion on the importance of climate internal variability on your results would be beneficial. You mention the high degree of spatial and temporal variability of convective gusts already but making the role of internal climate variability more explicit would be important (see e.g., Deser et al. 2012). Internal climate variability could easily be the dominant source of uncertainty in your future climate projections.



      Deser, C., Phillips, A., Bourdette, V. and Teng, H., 2012. Uncertainty in climate change projections: the role of internal variability. Climate dynamics, 38, pp.527-546.



    Specific comments:

    1. Is BARPAC-M online or offline nested into BARPAR? The online nesting would have the benefit of providing higher-temporal resolution at the lateral boundaries which generally reduces that spatial spinup in the high-resolution domain.
    2. How did you account for boundary effects in BARPAC-M? Do you use a sponge zone and did you exclude boundary grid cells from the analysis?
    3. L100: It is optimistic to assume that the resolved gust in BARPAR is 10-min if you have a 5-min time step. I would assume that your resolved temporal scales are at least 4Dt based on numerical considerations and model diffusivity.
    4. In the analysis of Fig. 2 you directly compare the grid cell wind gust from the models with observed gusts at point locations. Should the model be able to capture point scale wind gusts? I would assume that the model wind speed should be lower than that observed at point locations since the model is representing a spatial (e.g., grid cell) average wind gust, which in case of ERA5 and BARPAR is a quite large area.
    5. 3: Maybe using a log y-axis would make this figure easier to read.
    6. L223: Why are you using the 6 km speed here? Are you assuming that this is the source height of downdrafts?
    7. 6: Please add a legend that describes the circle sizes.
    Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-322-RC2
    • AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andrew Brown, 21 Jun 2024
  • RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-322', Anonymous Referee #2, 03 Jun 2024
    • AC2: 'Reply on RC3', Andrew Brown, 21 Jun 2024

Peer review completion

AR: Author's response | RR: Referee report | ED: Editor decision | EF: Editorial file upload
ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (12 Jul 2024) by Gregor C. Leckebusch
AR by Andrew Brown on behalf of the Authors (15 Jul 2024)  Author's response   Author's tracked changes   Manuscript 
ED: Publish as is (13 Aug 2024) by Gregor C. Leckebusch
AR by Andrew Brown on behalf of the Authors (16 Aug 2024)  Manuscript 

Journal article(s) based on this preprint

24 Sep 2024
Convection-permitting climate model representation of severe convective wind gusts and future changes in southeastern Australia
Andrew Brown, Andrew Dowdy, and Todd P. Lane
Nat. Hazards Earth Syst. Sci., 24, 3225–3243, https://doi.org/10.5194/nhess-24-3225-2024,https://doi.org/10.5194/nhess-24-3225-2024, 2024
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